The Blog of Jack Holloway

Thursday, April 19, 2012

What makes a heretic?: Jonathan Edwards and Rob Bell

The works of Jonathan Edwards were reprinted in the 1970s-80s. This reprinting had a huge impact on Christian thinking.
Edwards believed that God is literally the direct cause of every single thing in the universe, and God causes all of it for his glory. And to deny that this is true, for Edwards, means to deny God altogether.(1)
God's causation of all things includes evil. God causes man to do evil. All the rapes, murders, genocides--everything evil under the sun was caused by God through man for His glory.

So, in this view, not only did God only choose to save some and not others, but he is also the direct cause of the evil that the reprobate commit. On top of that, God causes them to be punished for those sins forever and ever. God causes men to sin and then punishes them for the sin that he caused them to commit.

And somehow this is, on a general level, okay with Christians.
In fact, Edwards is considered "one of the most important theologians of American evangelicalism."(2)

Rob Bell, on the other hand, merely suggests that maybe people can come out of hell in the next life.

First, I need to make it clear that nowhere does Bell ever say that hell does not exist:
"Do I believe in a literal hell?
Of course.
Those aren't metaphorical missing arms and legs."(3)
Bell merely suggests that hell could be "'a period of pruning' or 'a time of trimming,' or an intense experience of correction."(4) 

He alludes to the idea that hell could be a refining fire, burning the sin and corruption off of the sinner so that he can die "the kind of death that actually brings life."(5) 

That's it. He doesn't take any of the horror out of hell; just the forever and ever.
When Christians hear this, they freak out.
They call him a heretic. They say he simply cannot be considered a Christian. They suggest that he is "New Age."(6)

This is not a defense of Rob Bell's Love Wins.(7) Rather, I am proposing a question.


The question is this: 

What is it about Christianity today that is okay with the idea that God directly causes all of the evil in this world, that he causes humanity to sin and then dooms them to torment in hell where they will be tortured every day, 7 days a week, 12 months a year, 100 years a century, century upon century--and he is glorified by all of it; yet, Christianity today will immediately, ruthlessly reject--with passion--the idea that hell is a refining fire that purifies the sinner of his corruption and evil?

What is it about Christianity that is okay with God being the cause of the evil and torment of billions of people, but is totally not okay with God bringing people out of hell? 

I would like to add that George MacDonald, who inspired C. S. Lewis and is a highly respected Christian theologian, believed the exact same thing.
Also, Origen, one of the church fathers, believed not just that God would reconcile the inhabitants of hell back to him, but that eventually God would reconcile even the devil and his demons back to heaven.   
 

Notes:
(1) See Roger Olson, The Story of Christian Theology: Twenty Centuries of Tradition & Reform (Downers Groves: InterVarsity Press, 1999), 506-507.
(2) Ibid., 509.
(3) Rob Bell, "Hell," in Love Wins (New York: HarperCollins, 2011), 71.
(4) Ibid., 91.
(5) Ibid., 77.
(6) This statement is absolutely false. The New Age movement is very out-of-the-box magic stuff light-years away from Christianity. It has to do with Shamanism and a lot of weird crap. People tend to associate New Age with anything that reinterprets Scripture. This is absolute ignorance and just shows that they don't know what they are talking about.
(6) I do not actually agree with Bell. However, I do think it is good that he is raising the questions (whether or not they were raised in the right manner is the question). And I do think his view holds water and is a possibility. I don't think there is anything wrong in his believing it, but I personally do not.

Thursday, December 8, 2011

Tremendum Theophaniam (poem)


Tremendum Theophaniam by J.D. Holloway


i swallowed a
deep and intricate flail
and the hyena licked my wounds

said i, “let us dream in pleasant darkness”
 but her osculation endeavored unsuccessfully
for the wound was within and she     without

I ripped the flail from inside my flesh;
the blades cut deep into my soul;
streaks of wounded tissue

and
from
the
darkness

it never heard my awful croon



walking the deck of this sinking ship,
i turned to you and inquired if i would ever again see                                                 lumina lumen

but your voice remained silent
and your lust, abound

despair crept into my aching mind as i stared into the cold abyss
“I am here whether you acknowledge me or not,” said the Deep

the strongest sense       of horror          awakened        my       Soul

Monday, November 21, 2011

Leaves


The leaves have fallen
Each blesses ground with beauty
But man casts apart

Friday, June 17, 2011

Thank God, I Found You

Well, the devil took a lot of my brain
And he borrowed some years and he kept things from me
And I know he'd like to do it again
Oh, I know he’d like to do it again
But I won't
No, I won't let him have you

Well, I wasted so much time and I'm sorry
I've been waiting for you all of my life
But I wish I would have done more preparing
Oh, I wish I would have done more preparing
But I won't
No, I won't let him have you

I've loved you all of my life
But, at last, I have found you

Well you’re looking pretty cute in that dress
And can you read those lines to me?
And you know I will be so impressed
Oh, you know I will be so impressed
Oh, can I?
Please, can I just have you?

Oh, the way you make me want to be a better man
And the way I love every little thing you do
From reading me the Bible to the way that you stand
From reading me the Bible to the way that you stand
Oh, can I?
Please, can I just have you?

I’ve loved you all my life
But, at last, I have found you

So is there anything I can do for you?
I will do anything I can do
And these reasons are only a few
Man, I want
Oh I want just to have you
Gosh, I want
Oh I just want to have you

And it’s true, I have found you
Oh, it’s true
Thank God, I found you

Monday, May 23, 2011

Dialogue Between a Stranger to Joy and a Stranger to Fear

Did I lose all my angels when I tried to end my life and when I dropped and cursed Your name did it make You ashamed to call me Your own son and in my mother’s womb, unborn and nonexistent, was I better then?
Was it better then? When I wasn’t around

I am sitting here in the blazing sun while my eyes are filled with water and my hand is filled with pills and my aching mind is thinking “Ain’t it great that I can go to sleep and wake up in the morning, start all over again
with Your graces anew?

After all
I’m sitting in the blazing Son"

And I will soar on Your wings just like the angel that I am in You and though these mountains take up all my sight I’ll hold on tight and fly up to the sky as the birds go by and the stars as they lighten up my night
You lighten up my night

Ain’t it pretty?

"You didn’t lose all your angels when you tried to end your life and when you dropped and cursed My name I looked at you and smiled and said “Oh well I know he’s coming home so I’m not going to worry and he’s better than...
better than he thinks he is”"

Tuesday, May 10, 2011

I've always been a nervous guy
Gotta straighten my jacket and fix my tie
I'm happy, anxious, sad and scared
Who could want a man impaired?

I want to see inside your heart
See every wound and every scar
Know every bit of who you are
But, really, I want to be a part

Will you hold my hand and walk with me?
I want to hold your hand and walk with you

I feel at home in your embrace
Perfect comfort, perfect peace
I want to make you my new home
I want to have you for my own

All I have is only dreams
And I've placed my dreams right at your feet
So gently carry on your way
With my dreams embedded in your street

I'm gonna rattle my bones and shake my frame
Gonna put it all together and make it okay
I'm gonna clean my tongue and straighten my act
Gonna be the one and take it all back
Cause I don't want to walk without you